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mid.ru Ladies and gentlemen,
I would like to wish everyone present a happy New Year and a Merry Christmas to all those who celebrate this holiday. I would also like to wish everyone who have a sense of humour a happy New Year Old Style, which we celebrated yesterday and which certainly added a few positive notes to everyday routine, which is a fact of life and which we will be mostly talking about today.
The fundamental assessments of the international situation in the past few years, our actions, policy and goals on the international stage have been presented in detail during President Vladimir Putin’s annual news conference on December 19, 2024. Before it, he regularly spoke about international issues in his other statements, including at a meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club and at other events. I will not focus on the international events that constituted the essence of our operation and initiatives.
However, I would like to remind you, as we pointed out on many occasions, that we are living in a historical period, or possibly a historical era or confrontation between those who uphold the fundamental principles of international law (and the world order that developed after Victory over Nazism and Japanese militarism in the Second World War), which have been formulated, set out and put forth in the most important international document – the UN Charter – and those who are not satisfied with that document and who decided after the end of the Cold War that the deed is done and that their main opponent – the Soviet Union – and the accompanying socialist camp have been finally suppressed. They decided that from that time on they could not live in accordance with the UN Charter but with the wishes of the “political West,” which includes the US’s Asian allies (Japan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea). We regard them as “political” or “collective West.” Regarding themselves as victors in the Cold War, they decided that they no longer needed to coordinate their actions with a strong opponent such as the Soviet Union, and that they would decide all issues independently, issuing instructions from the top down, just as it was done in the Soviet Union’s party system (the Politburo, the Central Committee, regional party committees, district party committees, etc.).
At that time, the PRC had not yet achieved the kind of tremendous economic success and political influence that we see today, so the West did not encounter any serious resistance. President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly spoken about this, convincingly and at length, explaining the true root causes of the conflict that left us no other choice. We had to begin the special military operation in Ukraine to repel an attack, a war waged against us by the collective West with the main goal of suppressing competition when Russia re-emerged as its strong rival on the international arena. I will not list these reasons in detail. Their main goal was to weaken our country geopolitically, creating direct military threats to us – not somewhere across the ocean, but right on our borders, on Russia’s native territories toiled by Russians and developed by Russian tsars and their associates, in an attempt to slash our strategic potential and devalue it as much as possible. The second reason also has to do with the history of the region, only it was more about the people who have lived on that land for centuries, developed it from scratch, built cities, factories and ports, than about the land itself. These people were labelled ‘terrorists’ by the current Ukrainian regime, which came to power through an illegal anti-constitutional coup. And when they refused to accept it, that regime launched an all-out offensive against all things Russian, which provided a centuries-old framework for the region where people refused to obey the new Nazis.
Now we are witnessing the height of this battle. I am sure that there will be questions about it, so I will not go into detail right now. However, I would like to reiterate the main conflict of the current historical period – something that professors always pointed out in Soviet history courses. The main conflict is between those who support a multipolar world, the UN Charter and the sovereign equality of states, which requires all those who ratified it not to impose their will on others, but to rationalise their point of view and seek a balance of interests, to negotiate, and who support all the other principles of the UN Charter, on the one hand [– and those who don’t, on the other]. These principles constitute the international legal framework for the equitable international system that is commonly referred to as the Yalta-Potsdam system. Many people, including our political scientists, speak of it now as a bygone era. I do not quite agree with this assessment. From the international law perspective, the Yalta-Potsdam system does not require any ‘repair’ - it is in the UN Charter. Everyone should simply comply with it, and not selectively, like ordering a la carte – I’d like fish today and something stronger tomorrow – but in its entirety. Moreover, all the interrelations between the principles of the UN Charter have long been defined in the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations. It was adopted unanimously, with no one objecting.
Let me reiterate that those who oppose multipolarity and efforts to achieve it today believe that with the Cold War over, they are above the law and that they can follow their own rules. They call this Western-style set of rules a rules-based order - although no one has ever seen these rules – and are pushing them across the board on all nations.
After the end of the Cold War and the Soviet Union’s dissolution, they have been persisting, as if driven by inertia, with their desire to cast themselves as masters of destinies. This is something that surprises me, while also making me anxious. In fact, every reasonable politician must understand that the situation has radically changed compared to what it was 30 or 35 years ago. There has been a revival in efforts to oppose the Western diktat, with emerging economies and new centres of financial power in China, India, ASEAN, the Arab world, and CELAC replacing the USSR in this role. This group also includes a resurgent Russia together with its allies from the EAEU, the CIS, and CSTO. This also includes the SCO and BRICS, and many other emerging and rapidly developing associations across the world, in the countries of the Global South, or to use a better designation – within the Global Majority. A new reality has already emerged along with strong competitors who want to engage in fair economic, financial and sports competition. However, the West, or at least its present-day elites, proved to be unable to stop following the path of seeking to ensure their total dominance and perorating about what they refer to as the end of history. They are heading down a slippery slope in their attempts to stop their competitors in their tracks, including in terms of economic competition. Today, the United States announced a new sanctions package dealing with AI microchips, which includes banning their imports to NATO and EU countries. I have a strong feeling that the United States does not want to have any competitors anywhere, starting with the energy sector. In this sector, the US has given the green light to terrorist attacks designed to undermine EU’s wellbeing in terms of energy supplies. Now, they are encouraging their Ukrainian clients to put the TurkStream out of operation, just as they did with the Nord Stream pipelines. The United States and its allies have placed sanctions policies at the core of what they do on the international stage, including regarding Russia, but also in other respects. This demonstrates their refusal to engage in fair economic competition and their commitment to using unfair, aggressive practices for suppressing their opponents. They imposed a plethora of sanctions on China, too. As I have already said, they do not hesitate sanctioning their allies whenever there is even a slight threat that these allies can make something cheaper or be more effective on international markets compared to US manufacturers.
In sports, we witnessed fair competitions evolve into efforts to serve the vested national interests of a country which aspires to dominate everything.
If Mr Donald Trump seeks to make America greater once he assumes office, we will have to keep a close eye on the methods President Donald Trump uses to achieve this goal.
This was my take on the main contradictions we face today. I am at your disposal to hear and answer your questions.
Question: President of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić has recently made certain statements that some experts interpret as a de facto alignment with the United States. How do such statements tally with the special nature of relations between Russia and Serbia?
Sergey Lavrov: Our primary concern is that our relations with Serbia are grounded solely in the interests of the Serbian and Russian peoples, as well as our respective states. Our interests align on the vast majority of issues. These relations are rich with specific agreements and projects, including those in the energy sector, approved by our heads of state, governments, and companies. There are joint ventures, such as Naftna Industrija Srbije. According to its articles, nationalisation is not an option under any circumstances. The American political scene, particularly among the Democrats, often exhibits a tendency to leave a “mess” for the incoming administration. This was evident when Barack Obama, three weeks prior to Donald Trump’s first inauguration, expelled 120 Russian diplomats and their families and seized, under arrest, two pieces of diplomatically inviolable real estate, which we are still barred from accessing. This forced us to respond and certainly did not facilitate the US-Russia relationship during the new Trump administration.
Similarly, there seems to be an attempt to “throw a spanner in the works,” as we say it, for both the Serbs and the Trump administration. A deputy assistant for energy arrived there, attended a joint news conference with President Aleksandar Vučić, and moralised, insisting that Russian capital should be excluded from Naftna Industrija Srbije and the Serbian energy sector in general. Otherwise, he threatened to block all market access for Serbian goods. It was quite a brazen performance, yet this is the “trademark” of the outgoing American administration.
When you have not been re-elected, and your team perceives America in a way that was not supported by the majority of Americans, ethically speaking – beyond politics, out of basic human decency – you should simply await the conclusion of the three months between the election and inauguration, understanding that the people desire a different policy. But no, they insist on “slamming the door,” ensuring they leave a significant impact.
I reiterate that we share a rich history with Serbia in our joint struggle against Nazism and for the respect of peoples’ right to self-determination. We support each other politically and within international organisations. Of course, we observe that Serbia is being “twisted.” When President Vučić has long stated that Serbia remains on course for EU membership, and year after year he hears that they are welcome, but only if they first recognise Kosovo’s independence – essentially inviting the Serbian people and their president to self-abasement – and secondly, of course, the Serbs must join all EU sanctions against the Russian Federation. In parallel with this invitation to self-abasement, there is a demand to betray their ally. President Vučić has repeatedly stated that this is an unacceptable policy pushed by the Europeans, clearly encouraged by the United States.
The situation, even from a legal standpoint, demands courageous decisions. They say you have an agreement with someone that does not concern us, but it does concern our desire to punish your partner. They add, “sorry, but you’ll also be hit tangentially, and quite painfully.”
The decision rests with the Serbian leadership. Deputy Prime Minister Aleksandar Vulin, who represented Serbia at the BRICS summit in Kazan, made a clear statement on this matter. So, we will see.
We remain in contact with our Serbian friends. We have requested urgent consultations and hope to receive a response at the earliest opportunity.
Question: Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi stated not long ago that, under the strategic guidance provided by the two heads of state, China-Russia relations were becoming increasingly mature, stable, independent, and strong every day, and served as a model of friendly interactions between major powers and neighbouring countries. What do you have to say about this? What do you think is the secret to the steady expansion of bilateral relations? What are your expectations regarding bilateral cooperation this year?
Sergey Lavrov: I fully share the assessments of Russia-China relations provided by my good and long-time friend Wang Yi. We meet several times a year, and these meetings are quite useful, helping us reach concrete agreements to implement foreign policy goals agreed upon by President Vladimir Putin and President Xi Jinping, and coordinate our steps on the international stage.
Without a doubt, Russia-China partnership is among the key factors stabilising modern international life and the ongoing processes that are used, among other things, to escalate confrontation and hostility in international affairs, which is what our neighbours from NATO engage in under US guidance. The United States is seeking to drive wedges and sow discord, be it in Europe, the Taiwan Strait, the South China Sea, or as they say, the Indo-Pacific region, be it the Middle East or Africa.
With its hundreds of military bases worldwide, the United States has no problem wreaking havoc here and there. However, these see-through schemes do not mislead anyone. They seek to create destabilising confrontations anywhere they need to, causing nations that push for regional influence to waste their resources, focus, and time on resolving crises rather than to use them for development purposes. Meanwhile, Washington is reaping increasing benefits from it. They did this during World War I and World War II. This time, they have shifted the main burden of the war they are waging against Russia through Ukraine onto the European Union. Most of the EU, including leaders of France, Germany, and Italy, remain largely silent. Some are voicing discontent, but these voices are coming mostly from the opposition, such as the Alternative for Germany, Sahra Wagenknecht’s Union, and the National Front in France.
The opposition wonders why so much money is being spent elsewhere while poverty is rising, deindustrialisation is underway, and the manufacturing industry is fleeing to the United States, where energy costs are four times lower, and taxes are lower as well.
They have “burned” almost all of California, causing damage estimated at $250 billion, which is more than what they have spent on Ukraine, even though the figures are comparable. At various international events, such as APEC in San Francisco, we have seen that the United States is facing numerous problems. Poverty is rife. All you need to do to see it is go off the main roads.
So, when China and Russia advocate for equal and honest dialogue with Washington, it primarily means upholding the principles of international communication that are enshrined in the UN Charter.
After World War II ended with the defeat of German Nazism in Europe and Japanese militarism in the Far East, our leaders agreed to jointly celebrate these two outstanding events which are the 80th anniversary of Victory in World War II in Europe and the 80th anniversary of Victory in World War II in the Far East.
I’m confident these will be outstanding events. They are crucial to reminding everyone, especially the younger generation, of the price paid for peace and to continue firmly countering the attempts to rewrite history, equating Nazis with those who liberated Europe from them and the Far East from Japanese militarism.
This is an essential component that cements the comprehensive Russia-China partnership and strategic cooperation. I believe the secret of success lies in our shared history. We do not reject this history. Unlike the West, neither Russia nor China has ever dialed back on their commitments, including those codified in the UN Charter. The West, while not formally renouncing them as commitments, does everything in practice to avoid following them, instead pursuing its selfish designs.
The entities relying on Russia-China partnership and joint initiatives belong to a new type of association, without leaders or followers, or masters or subordinates.
These entities include the SCO, which is expanding its ties with the EAEU. The Eurasian Economic Union is harmonising its integration plans closely with China’s Belt and Road Initiative. BRICS has gained even more strength after the Kazan Summit. Indonesia, which we strongly supported during Russia’s chairmanship, became a full member. Eight more countries have become partner states, and the SCO and ASEAN, as well as many other associations, maintain close cooperation. All of that is based on consensus. The Russia-China tandem can move these processes forward with the support of other participants. The international importance of our cooperation, partnership, and future plans is immense. I’m confident these plans will be realised. We do not seek to oppose anyone. The only thing we want is to see all countries on our planet, including the US-led collective West, interact based on respect for the interests of all their partners. This position is shared by Moscow and Beijing.
Question: We all see that Armenia is being led down a fallacious and destructive path. I would go as far as to suggest that this is posing an existential threat to the country. This serves exclusively to benefit the West, to the detriment of the centuries-old Russian-Armenian ties.
We all know that Armenia has suspended its participation in the CSTO. We know that the Armenian government is boycotting a number of events hosted by Russia. At the same time, recently, the authorities in Yerevan began dragging the country into the European Union. They are reportedly planning to hold a referendum on EU accession. Today we also found out that Armenia is going to sign a strategic partnership document with the United States. All this is happening against the backdrop of very real threats from our neighbours, which are increasing the chances of a new war. What is Moscow’s approach to the situation in Armenia? How do you see further developments?
My second question is about the 80th anniversary of the Great Victory, which you have mentioned. It is our common victory. We know how much the Soviet people, including the Armenian people, contributed to that victory. They made a truly great and valuable contribution. Do you agree that the memory of this victory should remain one of the pillars of the further strategic alliance between Armenia and Russia?
I am a member of the Council of Eurasia. This autonomous non-profit organisation has been active across the Eurasian continent for the last seven months. We have been advocating the preservation of historical memory and defending traditional values. I can say for sure that this advocacy effort is getting a wide response from our young people. In October 2024, we held a large mass event in Yerevan, which was attended by over 1,000 Armenian students. We not only celebrated Yerevan Day, but also paid tribute to the Victory in the Great Patriotic War by laying flowers at the Eternal Flame.
Sergey Lavrov: In response to your second question – this issue is sacred for all nations, above all for the Soviet Union. It is sacred for everyone who survived attempted genocide by Hitler’s armies and who fought for justice and truth, as part of their countries’ regular armies or partisan groups and resistance movements, repelling the Nazis and the large number of European countries that the German Nazis made join the battle on their side. Spanish and French soldiers took part in the siege of Leningrad and in many other criminal acts committed by the Nazi regime.
We have not forgotten this. What we see today keeps bringing those events back, and one cannot help noticing similarities. Napoleon invaded Europe and made everyone join his army to defeat the Russian Empire. It wasn’t just the French we had to repel. Hitler’s Germany later did the same. Dozens of countries occupied by the Germans sent their soldiers to destroy and annihilate the USSR.
President Joe Biden, who delivered his final speech on the US foreign policy yesterday, said that they had made NATO stronger and more capable, with 50 nations ready “to help Ukraine” – in fact, to fight against Russia using Ukraine as proxy.
History repeats itself, and each iteration includes someone having a sense of superiority and promoting a version of what is now called ‘Bonapartism’. With Hitler, that devolved to Nazism. Today, new Nazis are providing their banners to anyone wishing to march under them in a new attempt to destroy our country. Therefore, these anniversaries are sacred.
I believe everything that is being done by civil society, including your organisation, on top of what is being done by states and governments, deserves the highest praise.
I’m aware of your accomplishments in Armenia, not just in Yerevan, but in other cities and villages as well. Our embassy maintains strong collaboration with you on matters where we can join our efforts, such as organising the Immortal Regiment march, or initiatives like Memory Garden and Victory Dictation. These efforts are crucial if we want to introduce young people to these truly eternal values.
Our diplomats meet with Armenian veterans, take care of burial sites, and maintain memorials in good condition. There is no doubt that Russians and Armenians are friendly and fraternal peoples, and mutual relations will ultimately be grounded in friendship.
Regarding current official relations, they are not without difficulties. You mentioned certain facts that we have commented on earlier.
For example, when it was announced that the Armenian government had decided to begin the process of joining the European Union, Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Alexei Overchuk, a seasoned professional in charge of the EAEU affairs, openly stated that this initiative ran counter to the existing state of affairs. These are two different free trade areas with different systems for cutting (or eliminating) tariffs and duties. They are incompatible, plain and simple.
As you may be aware, back in 2013, after several reminders that we issued, then-President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich noted that the negotiations with the EU regarding Ukraine’s association agreement, which had been underway for many years by that time, were about to reach terms that would be directly at odds with Ukraine’s obligations under the CIS free trade area. Ukraine was part of it and benefitted from it, as it was almost free from internal tariffs. Ukraine strived to obtain the same zero tariffs arrangement with the EU, with which, for obvious reasons, Russia and other CIS members had fairly high protective barriers.
When Russia was in the process of joining the World Trade Organisation, it took us 17 years of negotiations to secure strong protection for many sectors of our economy and services. If Ukraine, with its zero tariffs for Russia, were to obtain similar arrangements with the EU, European goods, which were subjected to substantial tariffs under our agreement with Brussels, would have flooded our market tariff-free. We made that clear to the Ukrainians.
Yanukovich’s government agreed with that. They realised that if they did nothing, we would simply block Ukrainian imports into Russia which would affect Ukraine, since the bulk of Ukraine’s trade was with the CIS, not Europe. Ukraine asked the EU to postpone the signing of the association agreement for several months in order to reassess the situation.
We proposed that Russia, Ukraine, and the European Commission sit down and find a way for Ukraine to gain extra benefits from the EU association agreement without losing the advantages provided by the CIS free trade area.
Then-European Commission President José Manuel Barroso, a rather presumptuous individual, dismissed this suggestion in a similarly presumptuous manner, saying it was none of our business, comparing it to the EU not interfering in Russia’s relations with Canada. Thus, the decision of Armenia’s legitimate government to start a process to access an international entity that welcomes it is a sovereign decision. However, weighing all pros and cons is also part of the responsibility of Armenia’s government and Armenian economic policymakers.
You mentioned that Armenia has blocked its participation in the CSTO. While they do not participate in its events, they have officially stated that this does not mean they block decision-making requiring consensus.
The organisation continues to function as usual. In the autumn of 2022, we agreed to send a CSTO observer mission that was properly equipped to play a deterrent role along the border. However, our Armenian friends, despite everything being agreed upon and ready to go, ultimately declined, citing difficulties stemming from the September 2022 three-day skirmishes on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border and claiming the CSTO “failed to defend the territory of its ally.”
President Vladimir Putin has revisited this issue on multiple occasions. There was no delineated border, and certainly no demarcation. None and never. It was a couple of kilometres one way, and a couple of kilometres the other way. Indeed, there was an exchange of fire. However, turning down a CSTO mission, which would have been quite effective, was also a sovereign decision. At the same time, they invited a two-month EU mission, and later unilaterally extended it indefinitely without consulting Azerbaijan. Subsequently, Canada joined the mission, introducing an element of NATO presence. According to our information, these personnel are addressing issues that are of interest not only to Armenia, but to various Western alliances as well.
Yesterday, I heard the news that Armenian Foreign Minister Ararat Mirzoyan signed a strategic partnership agreement with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken which is a sovereign decision between two states. The main point is not what was signed or the name of the document that was signed, but the implications.
We, too, have used the term “strategic partnership” in numerous agreements with Western countries. However, those agreements, albeit strategic, never required the participants to act against third countries.
We have never, in times of peace, (World War II and the Great Patriotic War are a separate matter) put in writing in any document that we are strategic partners with someone and must, therefore, join some sanctions, as is the case with Serbia. They will ask Armenia to do the same.
Our dialogue continues, though. Foreign Minister of Armenia Ararat Mirzoyan has been invited to visit the Russian Federation and has accepted the invitation. We look forward to having him here soon.
Question: You have already talked about a possible meeting between President Putin and President Trump. What part can you see for the European Union and countries like Germany in possible negotiations about the Ukraine conflict?
Sergey Lavrov: German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande told us that they are the guarantors of the Minsk Agreements between Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France. The agreements were developed in the Belarusian capital, where I also had the honour of being present, taking almost 20 hours. The Germans and the French said that it was a peace agreement between Moscow and Kiev, and that they were the guarantors. We had a different interpretation of the participants’ statuses, but that was the stance that Germany and France adhered to. Their view was that they had seated us at the table, we reached an agreement, and they played the role of guarantors.
We, the Russian side, took this document to the UN Security Council, which unanimously approved it and requested that the agreements be fulfilled. I will not list the hundreds and thousands of violations by the Kiev regime, including bombings of civilian facilities and the total blockade of the territory that refused to recognise the state coup. Those violations have been regularly reported to the UN and the OSCE. We have told the guarantors: let’s stop this outrage. They would claim that Russia was allegedly firing too, helping the militia.
In December 2022, already in retirement, Angela Merkel said that nobody had intended to fulfil the agreements, neither Germany, nor France, nor then-President of Ukraine Petr Poroshenko who had signed the documents. Apparently, they only needed to win a few years to prepare Ukraine for war.
This matter pertains to the nature of the Yalta-Potsdam system enshrined in the UN Charter. Article 25 states that resolutions of the UN Security Council are mandatory for all members of the organisation. Former Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel said that Article 25 was not an obligatory rule to follow – although she herself was a party to this document, which was also supplemented by a declaration of four countries (Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France) that once again included a statement about a shared space from Lisbon to Vladivostok that we would be building, a statement that France and Germany would help Donbass to set up mobile banking and that they would help remove the blockade and organise talks to resolve gas transportation issues, essentially helping Russia and Ukraine in this respect. None of this was fulfilled.
With all respect for the history of the German people, I believe that it has already made its “contribution” through the administration of the former Chancellor of Germany. President Vladimir Putin has never rejected proposals to establish contacts. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has called him a couple of times. They spoke recently. Olaf Scholz was proud of his own act of courage. But there have also been conversations with other representatives of the European Union. I hope that the President will not be upset with me for revealing secrets but during that conversation, Olaf Scholz said nothing that he does not say publicly every other day: Russia must leave Ukraine. Nothing was said about the origin of the crisis, not a word about the Russian language and the rights of Russians which Zelensky wants to appropriate.
In fact, back in 2021, long before the special military operation, Vladimir Zelensky said that if one feels Russian in Ukraine, one should hit the road and go to Russia for the sake of their children. Just recently, he used Russian obscenities to talk about his attitude towards the peacekeepers who do not want to push Russians to the borders of 1991. This man’s sanity is a different matter.
Many have offered their services. Türkiye was a place where an agreement was reached and initialled. Former Prime Minister of Great Britain Boris Johnson (who is now writing some books) prohibited the signing of the agreement that was based on the principles approved in Istanbul. There was a series of meetings in Belarus. President Alexander Lukashenko once again confirmed that, as a neighbour of Russia and Ukraine, he believes that Belarus’ interests must be taken into account. We value this approach.
Overall, understanding is growing. This is why there is significant interest in the discussion about a telephone conversation and a meeting between the Presidents of Russia and the United States. Everybody realised (they have known it for a long time but refused to admit it) that it is not about Ukraine but about the fact that Ukraine is being used to weaken Russia in the context of our place in the system of Eurasian security.
There are two aspects of security. The threats at our Western borders, which are one of the biggest original causes of the conflict, must be eliminated. This can only be achieved in the context of broader agreements. We are ready to discuss security guarantees for a country that is now called Ukraine, or for the part of this country that remains undecided in terms of self-determination – unlike Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya. As important as this aspect is, the Eurasian context will dominate because the Western part of the continent cannot shut itself off from giants like China, India, Russia, the Persian Gulf and the entire South Asia, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Hundreds of millions of people populate this region. We must develop the continent to ensure that the issues of its central part, the Central Asia, the Caucasus, the Far East, the Taiwan Strait, and the South China Sea are handled by the countries of the region rather than by former NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who said that NATO would operate there because the alliance’s security depends on the Indo-Pacific Region.
How exactly does it depend on this region? He was asked if NATO was still a defence alliance. He said yes. They defend the territory of their members, but in modern conditions, the security of their territory depends on the security in the Indo-Pacific Region. And that is why they will be building NATO infrastructure there, among other things. Alliances will be created there. The United States and South Korea have already created a military alliance with a nuclear component. They confirmed it recently.
This is an interesting aspect for political analysts to consider. How can these things be integrated? I assure you, the Euro-Atlantic approach to Eurasia is an illusion.
Question: Could you please provide more information about the Iran-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership treaty? What messages does the treaty convey and are there any concerns from third parties about it?
Sergey Lavrov: On January 17, President of Iran Masoud Pezeshkian will visit Russia. This visit has been announced, and our presidents will sign this treaty.
As for whether someone likes it or not, this question is usually posed by our Western colleagues, who consistently seek to find some topic that will suggest that Russia – along with Iran, China and the DPRK – is plotting something against someone round the clock. This treaty, like the Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between the Russian Federation and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, is not directed against any third country. It is constructive and aims to enable both Russia and Iran, as well as our friends in various parts of the world, to better develop their economies, address social issues, and ensure reliable defence capabilities.
Question: The Russian Maritime Doctrine regards the Indian Ocean as an area of its strategic interests. How could Pakistan use its relations with SCO and BRICS countries within that doctrine to promote safe and mutually beneficial cooperation? What can you say about current Russia-Pakistan relations?
Sergey Lavrov: Our relations are developing progressively. The current period is the most positive one in many decades. There are also projects aimed at restoring the facilities that were created in the Pakistani economy during the Soviet period.
There is a mutual interest in practical interaction in fighting terrorism. Pakistan is suffering from it as well. The fight against terrorism also calls for joining efforts with your Afghan neighbours, India and all SCO countries, because evil people are using Central Asia, Afghanistan and Pakistan for planning and implementing their criminal projects.
The SCO has an anti-terrorist structure. It is working well. We are exchanging information. Since terrorism financing is closely connected with drug trafficking as a form of organised crime, we have been promoting in the past years the idea of creating a common centre for combating new threats such as terrorism, drug trafficking, organised crime, and human trafficking. We will start implementing this idea this year.
I would like to emphasise that all organisational measures are important, but it is even more important to strengthen trust within the SCO in the format that is currently working on Afghanistan (Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran). We believe that it would be beneficial to involve India in it. The SCO and the formats focused on Afghanistan, such as the Moscow Format of Consultations on Afghanistan, are an additional platform where Pakistan, India and China would be able to interact more closely, trying to promote mutual understanding, asking questions of concern to them, and receiving and analysing the answers. We are ready to help promote this process. It will be in the interests of your countries, our region and the SCO.
Question: Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin is currently in Hanoi on an official visit. It is focused on Russia’s participation in the construction of the Ninh Thuan 1 nuclear power plant. How would a positive settlement of this issue change Russia-Vietnam relations?
Sergey Lavrov: The main change in our bilateral relations would be a positive decision on the nuclear power plant project. One more joint project would be added to our bilateral relations. We have many joint projects with Vietnam, for example, the Tropical Centre, which is being modernised and will work more effectively. There are also joint projects in the hydrocarbons market (Rusvietpetro and Vietsovpetro are working in each other’s territories) and in the sphere of nuclear power generation. These projects involve high technologies. President Putin pointed out on many occasions that we do not just build power plants and subsequently use them but also create a new industry in the countries where we do this, including train personnel for them.
Such agreements can include various commercial aspects. For example, Russia will own the power plant we are building in Türkiye. We will supply electricity and pay taxes there. Other projects stipulate parity ownership with the home country. There can be different formats, but it is a fact that our relations will be enriched with one more high-tech project.
We have talked about Ukraine today. Vietnam has announced its readiness to host negotiations. We are grateful for this. We appreciate this position of our Vietnamese friends. I cannot comment on this now because no practical proposals have been made, and the tasks we are tackling must be carried through.
Question: In your opinion, is there a possibility of further deterioration in Russian-Japanese relations after Donald Trump’s inauguration, considering his intention to strengthen the US-Japanese alliance? Is this cause for concern for Russia? Which areas of Russian-Japanese relations are likely to deteriorate during Trump’s presidency?
Sergey Lavrov: The question is whether it is possible to sink even lower and deeper.
I cannot respond to it because all the downward movement was initiated by our Japanese neighbours: the destruction of almost everything, including regular, respectful political dialogue at the highest and high levels. Russia has made no moves in this direction.
We have long lost hope that Western countries will fulfil their promises and obligations, including NATO’s non-expansion to the east, refraining from luring Ukraine into NATO, and preventing Nazism, which began to eradicate all things Russian in Ukraine. Everyone is keeping silent on this issue despite our persistent reminders. Despite the Minsk agreements, they bombed these people, who should have been granted a special status in accordance with the UN Security Council’s resolutions. After years of explaining this and encountering not just a lack of understanding but deafness, simply an unwillingness to listen, we ultimately launched the special military operation to protect our security interests and the interests of the Russian people in Ukraine. In response, Japan was immediately ordered to join the sanctions. It complied. That’s the reality.
Occasionally, we receive signals that they are willing to resume dialogue on a peace treaty, along with requests to allow their citizens to visit the islands for cultural reasons. But it’s all handled in such an unserious manner, like someone just showing up and saying, “Oh, by the way, we were asked to pass this along.” There’s no “Dear so-and-so.” It’s not there. It’s just, “Here you go; now work on it.”
Japan has always stood out for its delicate approach to life, from its cuisine to various rituals. This subtlety in its relationship with us seems to have vanished. However, there are some exceptions. At least we have never made culture, sport or joint educational projects a victim of politics. Never. We appreciate that, despite everything, Japan hosts tours involving Russian performers called the Days of Russian Culture in Japan every autumn. Not every country shows such courage.
If this particular quality – and I mean this in regard to your employers and their government, not you personally – could be applied to demonstrate a sense of dignity, I believe it would be in the best interests of the Japanese people.
Question: You and your colleagues from the Government have compiled a list of unfriendly countries and territories, which includes the island of Taiwan. I understand that this decision reflects the de facto situation, but on paper it appears that a piece of friendly China has been designated as unfriendly. Has the Chinese side commented on this? What can you say about this?
Sergey Lavrov: The Moscow-Taipei Coordination Commission for Economic and Cultural Cooperation in Taipei functions similarly to our embassies in countries that have imposed sanctions on us. Taiwan has imposed sanctions on us as well. That is the criterion we were guided by.
It may sound a bit cumbersome, but we consider the governments of the countries that have joined the sanctions unfriendly. There is no such thing as unfriendly countries or peoples for us.
Our Chinese friends are fully aware of this state of affairs.
Question: What are Russia’s main projects and priorities in Latin America for the coming year?
Sergey Lavrov: We regard Latin America as one of the significant poles of the emerging multipolar world order. Our relationships with nearly all countries in the region are diverse.
This includes our Brazilian friends, who collaborate with us not only bilaterally but also within the BRICS framework. Brazil has now assumed the chairmanship of this group from us, marking a promising avenue. We have a bilateral agenda with Brazil encompassing economic, military, and technical spheres, among others.
Our embassy in Argentina is actively engaged, and we are currently establishing relations with President Javier Milei and his new administration to explore new opportunities.
Our principal partners, friends, and allies include Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.
We are closely monitoring developments in Bolivia concerning the election campaign, noting that the United States is once again attempting to interfere and create divisions among progressive forces in the country. This is of little surprise.
We actively support CELAC, particularly after President Lula da Silva’s leadership invigorated the organisation, with Brazil not only participating but also seeking to take the initiative. This includes President Lula da Silva’s proposal to develop alternative payment platforms to reduce dependence on the dollar's dominant position. These are pragmatic considerations. We maintain relationships with MERCOSUR, UNASUR, the Central American Integration System, ALBA, and many others.
Russia was represented at the inauguration of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, where productive discussions took place between our State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin and the President.
I anticipate a fruitful year in our bilateral relations.